In Part 2 of VOK’s Women and Geek Culture series, hosts Alias, Beric175, inkasrain, No True Lady and Valkyrist bring passion, opinions and insight to GamerGate, the controversy that’s taken the internet by storm.
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Privilege checking? not stealing the voice from minorities, men can’t understand the woman’s viewpoint? This sounds to me like full blown Social Justice Warrior mentality. I really thought you guys were more independent than this. The SJW on tumblr are living in an echo chamber and they can stay there as long as they like, just like the tards on the number Chans they both don’t harm anyone as long as they stay on their sites. But when you hear their thoughts and ideas being used outside in the general world one start to worry, especial for the upcoming generation which i think are being especially affected by SJW.
Love it or hate it – that’s the free marketplace of ideas for ya. 🙂
But believe it or not, VOK is independent. It doesn’t have an official stance on anything (other than militant politeness). The opinions expressed by each of its (70+) hosts are just that – individual opinions. A call went up to discuss this topic, and these were the people who volunteered.
This imgur post have a comment summing up my thoughts on this subject.
here are a text version of the image linked above
“We are fighting to end hate, to unite as one and love each other. We are fighting to be treated right without discrimination and for everyone to have equal opportunities.”
Bullshit. You have no quantifiable metrics for injustice, so you have no victory conditions (for a very simplified example, when blacks hold X% of all engineering jobs and are only Y% of all prisoners, racism is ended). That would be fine by itself, but you believe in fighting injustice with injustice (gays have historically been denied gay marriage? let’s get random CEOs fired for opinions they held six years ago). You don’t seek converts, you seek to punish and bully – straight white males who disagree with you must be purged and publicly humiliated. Even the jihadists will spare you if you convert; no apology or future correction will satisfy a SJW.
I could forgive that too if you weren’t all hypocrites and liars. Your treatment of women and minority dissenters is appalling; if they don’t want you acting on their behalf, that’s their choice, not “internalized patriarchy” or whatever. You rob them of moral agency. When called out for these behaviors (as you always insist on calling out others), you lie. You strawman your opponents (criticized a woman? misogynist!), you group them with the worst (you’re a gamer? you’re as bad as the anonymous rape threateners!) and when confronted with your own flaws, you restate them less threateningly (motte and bailey argument). You phrase all arguments as kafkatraps (disagreeing with your assertion that we are evil is taken as proof that we’re evil). You publish manipulated and misleading statistics, then lambast anyone who questions them.
You insist on vigilante justice against random acts of the week for your two-minutes hate. Why is it the NFL’s business to punish domestic violence? And, if it is their business, why isn’t Hope Solo receiving the same attention from your side?
Then you claim to be arguing for equality, but you’ve taken the idea of racism (hatred based on skin color is bad) and replaced it with a new concept where only one race can be guilty of racism. You excuse racial prejudice and hatred based on what I’ve already explained are arbitrary, unmeasured states of being. Your solution for the unequal treatment of whites and blacks is to hold whites to a higher standard. Your side lobbied the FBI to redefine rape so more women victims would be counted, but also so that “made to penetrate” does not count, leaving male victims in the cold. Because male privilege, apparently.
Historically ignorant SJWs think whites hold collective guilt for the awful things our ancestors have done. But they don’t care about the unspeakable atrocities by other races. The only difference between whites and others was that whites had the social and technological prowess to do evil efficiently; Africans, Asians, Indians, and everyone else practiced genocide and slavery, they were just less adept at doing it right. Given the means, they would have done the same. But nope, only whites are guilty; Arab oppression of blacks and caucasians never happened, not to us, nope.
I’ve been lucky enough to grow up in America, so this shit is new to me. But I’m descended from puritans, and I know my history; I know how they treated dissent. I also know how commies treated dissent; I grew up next door to a grizzled old Russian who barely avoided the gulag by smuggling himself out of the country. I know what you petty tyrants have turned into every time you gained enough power.
Worst of all, you turn the very principles of freedom against us. We tolerate you because we believe in free speech and civil discourse, not bullying and violence. But that means we have to watch you advocate against that very freedom. We don’t believe in ruining a stranger’s professional life over an opinion, but that means that we can’t punish your actions.
We believe that the rightness of our actions should speak for itself. You believe in bullying, even as you claim to love the oppressed.
Funny how the evil and all-powerful patriarchy has seen fit to act according to SJW whims for all of recent memory, punishing those they hate and protecting those they love. Funny how the evil oppressor males have to speak anonymously, while the SJWs fighting the power can use their real names and get mainstream media coverage for fun and profit. How when a million straight white male nerds get bullied, no one cares, but the minute one fag hangs himself, suddenly bullying matters – and the solution, of course, is more bullying, but by the “right” people.
That’s the arrogant core of it. You do the same evil, in the same pattern, as so many before you, because mob justice, punishing dissent, and repression of others is just fine and dandy so long as the “right” people are doing it to the “wrong” people.
Eat shit and die. All I ever asked was to be left alone.
Er… I’m confused. The guy spends ten paragraphs railing about the fact that white men are unfairly maligned by the media, but then he finishes with a homophobic slur and tells everyone to “eat shit and die”? Wha-
I would actually agree (sorta) with some of his points, like how SJW’s try to claim ownership over minorities’ experiences and how liberal they are with labelling people mysogenists. But yeah, I think it’s sort of ridiculous to argue that racism/sexism doesn’t exist in American society. I’m sure people in the 70s and 50s and 20s thought the same thing. It’s not descrimination, it’s just the way things are, etc. But that’s just burying your head in the sand, and saying “I don’t care about the world around me.”
I know it gets tiring having to hear about all of the social injustices of our society, but imagine having to live with them everyday. Imagine playing a video game, and getting 20 PM’s from other players asking to see your dick, or walking down the street and having gay guys pestering you for your number, or following you around, or grading how good you look among their buddies (and if one of them try to feel you, imagine being asked what you were wearing or how you might have lead him on). Or imagine being body searched every time you go through a metal detector, or pulled over every time you take a drive, just because of the color of your skin. It might be amusing at first, but it would get tiring fast. Obviously their are lots of factors in why descrimination occurs, but the way people are shown in the media is one such factor (e.g. Middle-Eastern people being constantly shown to be shrieking maniacs bent on blowing things up).
Anyway – just some thoughts.
Hi Collie! You had a great post. The ranter spends so much time talking about how the SJW’s have it wrong, and then defeats himself by spewing some ignorant crap in the last sentence.
I also think the rest of your post had some very good points about both sides of this argument. I do want to point out something kind of interesting, though. In your post you ask a straight white male to step into the shoes of a woman and imagine what life would be like. Instead of a woman receiving cat-calls walking down the street, it’s men. But something you said stuck out to me here. Why is it gay men harassing the poor straight white man for dick-pics? Even in an imagined hypothetical scenario about a man being harassed on the street, it’s still a man doing the harassing, albeit gay. It’s this pervasive concept that only men can have that type of disrespectful personally.
I don’t find this offensive or anything, and I think it is important for people to picture life in others’ shoes, but I think it does show how complicated these issues are. None of us can completely escape our ignorance and assumptions, and I think it’s important to remember that as we try our best to escape it anyway =P
Just something to think about.
Oh, I forgot to say thanks for the podcast guys. I didn’t agree with everything but it was still a solid discussion.
Lol what alternate reality does that person live in
They must have prewritten rants available to copy and paste for when they see opportunities to express themselves. The ranter did not give one example of something said on the podcast by one of the podcasters. Probably didn’t listen to more than a few minutes of it, if that.
The rant had nothing to do with this podcast, that’s why he didn’t mention anything about it. It was simply reposted here as someone thought it was relevant. If you click on the IMGUR link you’ll see it has nothing to do with VoK.